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I accidently came accross this site--this is the most ridiculous web site -- a site based on hate of a cable news network!
Guys--get a life--If you have nothing better to do then TIVO Fox and post idiotic posts!
My suggestion, learn to--ready for this--I'll go s l o w
TURN THE CHANNEL
Geeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeze!!
Those ideologues’ (like that awful young woman on ABC’s The View) will stick with FOX ‘til hell freezes over because they, like Bush, cannot admit failing of any kind.
You must continue by all means to EXPOSE the unbalanced crap that FOX puts on the air to Democrats, Independents and moderate Republicans. American’s aren’t stupid – they see through the lies when presented with them. I personally NEVER watch FOX so I have no way of knowing what lies they’re telling now. Those who do watch who are not ideologues’ should be SHOWN the lies over and over again!!!!!
UN-EMBED FOX WAR IS PEACE, FAIR&BALANCED; IS SKEWED
Democratic candidates should pledge never to go on any Fox show, and not to appear at any Fox event.
Democratic voters should pledge not to vote for any Democrat that has anything to do with Fox, period, end of story.
I once saw a 'news' broadcast on the violence in Iraq after the invasion. One of the 'experts' held up a map of where the violence was occuring. Trying to show that the insurgency, resistance and ethic cleansins were really only occuring in less than 1/3 of Iraq. If he held up a population density map as well you'd see the areas highlighted by his map was where people actually live.
This is the unbiased and fair reporting we see. Deception and misinformation is the rule.
I can't stand watching Fox news. It drives my sense of morality and decency screaming.
Of course, if it was Halliburton or KBR or ADM, we can't have any impact on their sales, as they are just using the advertising buys to prop up their propoganda machine, because they don't actually "sell" to Fox viewers.
"My station was intimidated by the administration and its foot soldiers at FOX News."
That is a quote from CNN's Christiane Amanpour explaining why the major television networks failed to accurately inform the public in the lead-up to the Iraq war, choosing instead to follow FOX's lead.
Now, FOX is beating the drums for war with Iran. Robert Greenwald's short film, "FOX Attacks: Iran", outlines the evidence from the station's
own broadcasts, comparing their reporting before the Iraq war with what they are saying now about Iran.
http://foxattacks.com/iran
FOX has a sacred responsibility to the American people to provide accurate and reliable information so we can best make the decisions that affect our lives. I urge FOX and other major television network news stations to accurately and thoroughly report all sides of this important story.
Please do not blindly follow FOX down the road to another war.
Call out the advertisers, ask them publically why they support this trash network! Put out some videos of the Head of Ford or Coke or whoever advertises on these rediculous shows and ask them why they support this hate America speech. Fox News says more hatefull things about Americans then any terrorist ever has.
As an avid news junkie, I sometimes force myself to tune into Fox, just to remind myself just how biased and intollerant this so called news channel is. I often wonder what the average IQ is of folks who tune into Fox to get their daily news fix...
They, who are the first to claim that the news media has a "liberal" slant, fail to see their's is more than just a "slant" but a mission for they seem hell bent on removing anything liberal or progressive or critical from the airwaves.
FOX must use Goerge Orwell's "1984" as their primer, and if we allowed them to get away with their censorship, (See Sally Field's acceptance speech at the Emmy Awards Ceremony) we would be living in an Orwellian World.
Thanks, Greenwald, we need people like you to keep the world safe for free speech and democracy!
"It looks like the adults are in charge, and that's a very important thing for our men and women in uniform."
That's what Faux News would like to convey: that withdrawal is a childish idea, and the warmongers are the adults. That notion justifies the imbalance of time. I mean, would you give equal airtime on national tv to (for instance) John Edwards and your 3-year-old daughter?
So I think you're attacking the wrong thing. Instead you should attack the misleading and/or altogether false statements and spin. And, though this may be harder to make stick, you can also follow the money and expose *why* Faux News wants to mislead the public.
Let's focus on the great opportunities we have going into 08 and the people in our government who are currently working to take back America. AND, if they are Republicans, even better!
If anyone is going for news broadcasting: please, please, if you consider yourself a fair journalist, don't ever do this. See FOX News as the example to not follow. You'll be doing the profession, your colleagues and co-professionals, and the people in general, an enormous favor.
Advertizers will soon discover fewer are tuning into Fox (Bush's propoganda network) and spend their add dollars elswhere. Kill Fox!
Also, alert their advertisers that you will not purchase from them.
The "good news" is that those who swallow the FOX line consist mostly of the 25% +/-3% authoritarian archetype Republicans that John Dean first described in his book, "Conservatives Without Conscience," and has developed further in his new book, "Broken Government." When you understand this, you literally know who the enemy is and how you can marginalize that very dangerous voting block. The real worries are with the undecided, uneducated that could be drawn to the Dark Side. This is why, painfully, democrats/progressives/liberals must continue to endure the abuse on the various FOX Opinion programmes.
We must first isolate Fox, which would also help against contamination with other channels, then it will wither on its own vine.
Only the threat of a boycott of their products will wake these companies up. For you hit them in the pocketbook and they will listen.
As for Democrats going on FOX they should before they say anything inform the Tv audience that this network never allows the truth to over shadow the nutworks agenda...
Beyond that, once Dems take over the White House, the first thing should be to overhaul the media ownership rules and reinstate the equal time thing, then we can get on with dismantling this bunch of bastards, scatter their asses and pour salt on the ground. I'd personally support deportation of Murdoch and worse for Roger Ailes, Hume and the rest - drawn and quartered would be near the top of my list.
As far as FOX is concerned, if they get the viewership they'll continue to do what they're doing, won't they? Who can blame them for wanting to make money, both off the advertisers because of high viewership and in alleyway governmental deals for putting out the correct spin on things.
The crazy thing is that they are getting away with this on public airwaves!! And obviously, don't watch the station!!
Better yet, turn off the TV!! It's all corporate run anyhow.
How do you wake up a nation of sheep before they are slaughtered by the wolves, when they have been trained to sleep?
For each fact presented by Petraeus, my local paper countered with researched fact....kind of cool. The official version, and the truth.They went fact by fact. Perhaps that kind of intervention might be effective in some way..in films, ads, emails.
Funny, that.
It's almost like the Disney-Generation somehow grew up believing that if brooms could walk and talk, and mice and ducks act like humans, then anything we're able to produce is "real."
If we "say" it...it must be "real."
So one side or another "says" whatever they want...and it therefore becomes "real."
Does anyone ingest this stuff?
If I wanted to share something that corresponds to reality...in other words, something that is actually "real" instead of "make-believe real"... I certainly would NOT show it on FOX Spews. I'd find another venue.
Zieg Heil Fox!!!
estate it is in the most literal way a FIFTH
COLUMN!!
This issue is not well understood by many Democrats, after all the Fox news insider mantra is "we must have a few token Democrats and secular liberals so we are not that obivious.
This discussion is interesting and critical as we approach the time of stolen elections. Other cable networks however fall into the same conditions often. ABS, CBS, NBC don't take a stand against FOX. PBS does in Bill Moyer's Journal and NOW. In fact they bring out the truth in such a way as for it to be scary, because you feel at heart its true and with such a truth, what can you do?
And you DO know that "Betray-Us" didn't even write the report.
Not all of the people who get their news from Fox are crazed nutcases, some are nice people who lack critical thinking ability. Why do they watch Fox? We need to find out. I suspect it's because it's entertaining, doesn't tax the mind much, and stimulates a little adrenaline in a dull life.
Brain research is demonstrating that humans are not the rational creatures we like to think we are, we actually make decisions based on our emotions. Liberals tend to make rational arguments; conservatives make emotional ones. It doesn't help the liberal cause to further inflame the emotions of liberals about things like Fox; what would help is touching the emotions of the people we need to persuade and inform. We need to get smarter about how to do this.
Ronald James
Well I certainly didn't say all that! Why on earth would we hate the troops?? This makes no sense, and I can't understand why a fellow American would suggest this.
We don't want to lose any more than anyone else does, but when it's clear that our involvement in Iraq is not helping then it's time to pursue OTHER MEANS OF PROGRESS.
Why does it always come down to win vs lose?? This is how children think, not adults. Time to grow up now.
You are all so pathetic. It's sort of funny to read your lunacy, but at the same time knowing that you delsusional infants have the same ability to vote that I do, gives me a sick stomach.
Seriously, you people need to grow the fuck up, and shut the fuck up.
For the record, I despise Fox news as well, but not for the psycho reasoning I read posted here. I hate them for the same reason I hate all the "news" outlets, and that is because they are all out to enertain the viewer rather than inform. The fact the I am perusing a web site dedicated solely to the destruction of one single news channel is disconcerting. Again, seriously, you people need some serious therapy.
Ronald James, also has an excellent point. In recent years the FCC has taken control of our airwaves and other media out of the hands of the many and given it into the control of the few.
"I am gross and perverted; I'm obsessed 'n deranged I have existed for years, But very little has changed
I'm the tool of the Government And industry too
For I am destined to rule And regulate you
I may be vile and pernicious But you can't look away
I make you think I'm delicious With the stuff that I say
I'm the best you can get; Have you guessed me yet?
I'm the slime oozin' out From your TV set
You will obey me while I lead you
And eat the garbage that I feed you
Until the day that we don't need you
Don't go for help . . . no one will heed you
Your mind is totally controlled
It has been stuffed into my mold
And you will do as you are told
Until the rights to you are sold
That's right, folks . . . Don't touch that dial"
no more need be said.
if Faux noise is taken off the air, these brain dead people who
believe its nonsense will still be braindead. The dumbing of
America has worked. The most mentioned comment I get when
discussing this illegal war is: "well, we can't just leave that mess
that we made." That is the dumbest argument I have ever heard.
Faux noise spews out such nonsense on a daily basis. You can
bet those pinheads at that station are making a lot of that illegal
money being stolen by these criminals in our administration. Faus news can go straight to hell, and take that skinny harpie, Man Coulter with them.
The only thing any corporation and its' shareholders care about is profit. If some one was to list all advertisers during Fox news and the thinking portion of the country boycotted these products, then perhaps there would be a proper response from Fox
Unfortunately all MSM is outrageously biased. Real change won't happen until we have legislation setting some kind of standard for programing that can be presented as news.
You mean the "FAIRNESS DOCTRINE"?
Good luck. You and the thought police can peddle your wares in the old Soviet Union.
What a bunch of sissy puss-bags on this board.
Anybody care to discuss the taser incidnet at John Kerry's speech?
I don't ever watch FOX anymore; therefore, I don't know which advertisers support their policy of venom and hatred. Like so many others said in their posts, it turns my stomach to listen to them.
My husband is a trucker. He says that most truckers listen to FOX (main channel in every motel room and truck stop)and believe everything they hear.
One thing that conservative America understands, no matter what, is its bottom line. If we would really conduct a sustained boycott for as long as it takes, advertisers would end up pulling their ads from that station. FOX would have to adjust.
I totally support these idiots freedom of speech, but when it is presented as news reporting, it has to be acurate. FOX News has nothing to do with news. It has to do with presenting opinions as news.
POSTING HERE AND TALKING ONLY AMONGST OURSELVES WILL DO NOTHING TO CHANGE THEM. LET'S GET THEM WHERE IT MATTERS THE MOST TO THEIR BOSSES. LET'S BOYCOTT THEM DILIGENTLY.
Dem's boycott Fox. For sure. Viewers boycott Fox AND their sponsor's. Yup. Non-viewers need to boycott the sponsors as well. And, are there any concerted-effort websites identifying the Top Ten Sponsors of Fox Noise and what tele-numbers we call to complain about said coproration's collusion with Fox?
How 'bout we also write our Senators and Representatives demanding a reinstatement of the Fairness Doctrine. These are, purportedly, the People's Airwaves. Tell 'em Kucinich has got it 100% correct and we, the people want our airwaves free of garbage.
Prime example, in my "news infancy" I began watching Fox not knowing they were biased. If I had not seen some opposition to their outrageous statements I would have accepted their rhetoric as the truth. Lots of people out there to influence by having a voice on this network.
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During their appeal, FOX asserted that there are no written rules against distorting news in the media. They argued that, under the First Amendment, broadcasters have the right to lie or deliberately distort news reports on public airwaves. Fox attorneys did not dispute Akre’s claim that they pressured her to broadcast a false story, they simply maintained that it was their right to do so. After the appeal verdict WTVT general manager Bob Linger commented, “It’s vindication for WTVT, and we’re very pleased… It’s the case we’ve been making for two years. She never had a legal claim.”
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So, they aren't beaking the law when they purposefully distort and lie.
Clearly the un-american propagandic nature of Fox News is now understood by a majority of Americans otherwise we would not see polls suggesting that 60-70% of the populace believes that Iraq was a mistake. So true to our market driven society we need to;
1) boycott all those manufacturers that advertise on Fox
2) make sure the advertisers know that they are being boycotted.
3) place Ads in major newspapers (that murdock doesn't already own) stating who the advertisers are, ask for a boycott and explaining why fox prpaganda is so unamerican
4) encourage ALL politicians to refuse to participate with Fox due to its unamerican propagandic nature regardless of which side of the issues they may be on.
5) As soon as politically possible create (replace) laws limiting media ownership
and the only reason this won't work is because everyone has to buy their Coca Cola at ALL costs. the one way we can accomplish success happens to be the lengths that even the most ardent of anti-Fox supporters aren't willing to go to.
this is a battle that I don't think can be won in this kind of society. and that breaks my heart.
1) The advertisers who did advertise during the event.
2) The advertisers who generally advertise on FoxNews.
Give the people here what they are clamoring for - the economic information to hit the network in the only place they care about - the pocketbook.
IF the much ballyhooed %'s regarding those who watch and don't are true, they'll have to think long and hard about losing the business of those who let them know they will dump them, even if they do not watch Fox.
I rarely watch FOX and when I do, I have no problem changing the channel when they get too absurd. May I recommend you do the same before you have a heart attack over them? They aren't worth the aggrevation. Do what you have to do to stop them getting too out of hand; just don't get upset about it.
In February 2003, a Florida Court of Appeals unanimously agreed with an assertion by FOX News that there is no rule against distorting or falsifying the news in the United States.
This sums up the journalistic "ethical" integrity of this "News" network. During the 2004 election cycle I recall watching a talking heads "debate" that included Ann Coulter and the typical strawman liberal. At one point Coulter asserted to the effect (not gonna call it a quote as I did not record it) that it was entirely fine for a political candidate to LIE about their opponent and it was then up to the target to counter it. Not even couching it in terms of "opinion" which is the "safe harbor" so to speak from slander claims.
NO ONE called her on it.
That was the last time I actually watched FoxNews - other than in analysis vids such as BNF produces - just did not have the stomach for such garbage.
Thank you for doing this.
...and, my comment may shock you, under free speech they can say whatever they want. I don't think the answer is to try to silence or even discredit them. I think the answer is to get your own TV show! Make it bigger, better, and filled with integrity.
Yes, I know. They are broadcasting their views as NEWS. This is, indeed, deplorable and shocking. It's underhanded and inflammatory. AND we need to counter it NOT by attacking back (which will just lead to more of the same on their part), but by out doing them in the name of honor, integrity, truth... and, ah hem, a word not used in politics, but with love.
...and, my comment may shock you, under free speech they can say whatever they want. I don't think the answer is to try to silence or even discredit them. I think the answer is to get your own TV show! Make it bigger, better, and filled with integrity.
Yes, I know. They are broadcasting their views as NEWS. This is, indeed, deplorable and shocking. It's underhanded and inflammatory. AND we need to counter it NOT by attacking back (which will just lead to more of the same on their part), but by out doing them in the name of honor, integrity, truth... and, ah hem, a word not used in politics, but with love.
When you know that the majority of people who watch FOX as their primary news source believe 1) Iraq was responsible for attacking us on 9/11, and 2) weapons of mass destruction were found in Iraq...doesn't that scare you??
Granted, people should take personal responsibility. But most of us get news from one, maybe two places. People who landed on FOX News are being fed lies and prejudice (like Saddam Hussein and Bin Laden were in cahoots, all immigrants are thieves and rapists, the Patriot Act only affects bad people, etc.)... basically hatred of anything not white and not conservative.
It's dangerous. They have a right to broadcast what they want but they should be forced to change their name to FOX Commentary.
"I accidently came accross this site--this is the most ridiculous web site -- a site based on hate of a cable news network! Guys--get a life--If you have nothing better to do then TIVO Fox and post idiotic posts!"
The irony is too perfect. You are criticizing a website that focuses on pointing out the hipocracy of Fox News yet you, yourself have a USER NAME of Fox News. And we're pathetic? Maybe you work for Fox News and have been given the task of trolling for criics. Again, I ask "And you think we're pathetic and should "get a life"?
That's just priceless irony. You can't make this stuff up.
here is a list i found on google from simpleasthat dot com (i realize we all use the products of these companies, and it would be difficult to , say , stop driving your car, since lmost every car company is listed. but the fact that we all use these products is what gives this idea such clout: by boycotting those companies that we can, such as blockbuster, taco bell, etc., and hold off on new purchases as well as writing letters to those companies from whom we have made major purchases in the past, there is a potential for momentum):
Ford Motor Company
Chattem, Inc
Citibank
American Honda Motor Co., Inc.
Overstock.com
Pfizer
Reckitt Benckiser Inc.
Procter & Gamble
General Motors
The Coca Cola Company
Sears
Kraft Foods
DaimlerChrysler
Carat USA
Starcom MediaVest
MediaEdge
MindShare
AT&T;
Optimedia
PHD Detroit
Verizon
Dodge Magnum/Dakota
LifeScan, Inc.
Levitz
Capital One
TOYOTA
Slim Fast
Taco Bell
Blockbuster
KIA
here is a list of Fox-owned stations (from Wikipedia):
New York City
WNYW 5
WWOR-TV 9
Los Angeles
KTTV 11
KCOP 13
Chicago
WFLD-TV 32
WPWR-TV 50
Philadelphia
WTXF-TV 29
Dallas - Fort Worth
KDFW-TV 4
KDFI-TV 27
Boston
WFXT 25
Atlanta
WAGA-TV 5
Washington, D.C.
WTTG 5
WDCA-TV 20
Houston
KTXH 20
KRIV-TV 26
Detroit
WJBK-TV 2
Phoenix
KSAZ-TV 10
KUTP 45
Tampa - St. Petersburg
WTVT 13
Minneapolis - St. Paul
KMSP-TV 9
WFTC 29
Cleveland - Akron
WJW-TV 8 [1]
Denver
KDVR 31 [1]
Orlando - Daytona Beach
WOFL 35
WRBW 65
St. Louis
KTVI 2 [1]
Baltimore
WUTB 24
Kansas City, Missouri
WDAF-TV 4 [1]
Milwaukee
WITI-TV 6 [1]
Salt Lake City
KSTU 13 [1]
Birmingham - Tuscaloosa, AL
WBRC-TV 6 [1]
High Point - Greensboro - Winston-Salem, N.C.
WGHP 8 [1]
Memphis
WHBQ-TV 13 [1]
Austin, Texas
KTBC-TV 7
Ocala - Gainesville, FL
WOGX 51
Uruguay - Montevideo
CX10WATV 10 Channel 10 Saeta TV
Footnotes
1. On June 13, 2007, the News Corporation announced that they will sell nine Fox owned-and-operated television stations. [1]
To claim Fox is Fair and Balanced is a lie. This is not news; this is commentary, pure and simple. Even if Fox just fessed up to the fact that they are NOT balanced, this would all be more acceptable. Still gagworthy, but acceptable...
Or they can play by the established rules of journalism. Which of course they won't. If they refuse the new designation, yank their broadcast license.
Maybe a harassment call campaign? Callers make friendly with the screeners until they're put on the air, then go gonzo like the Howard Stern prankers? Or better yet, actually ask a genuine question. If enough people get cut off by the producers and hosts for asking questions or pointing out lies or bias, it seems the broadcasts would be disrupted enough to get notice.
Fux News: Lying to America 7 out of every 8 minutes.
If FOX is owned by a Moslem company, that sounds like something that's news worthy.
Here goes!
I have come to believe that the reason people watch Fox is that they don't really want NEWS.
The people in this country are feeling so demoralized and helpless that they are searching for some way (or some ONE) to tell them that "everything is OK. We're doing the right thing.
We are 'Fair and Balanced' after all, so when you get home from work at the job you hate, that pays crap because the good jobs have been 'outsourced' and you and your family sit down to watch the news....we'll make you feel better about what you can't control anyway."
The people that I have come across that are truly outraged are those that have taken the time to inform themselves.
Not everyone HAS that time. Not everyone wants to TAKE that time.
Do you really believe that 30% of the voters in this country support Bush? I don't believe it.
I am retired. But I remember the working days when I had a couple of kids and a mortgage (and THAT'S a whole other story right there!) and my wife and I both had to work because we were just middle-class Joe Six-Packs.
We watched the news only as a preamble to the sit-coms that took our minds off of the daily grind.
That "Person" is still out there. Yes, there is the internet... but that's a recent development that is gaining popularity. That's why the Gov't and the MSM are attacking it. They can't control the message on the internet.
Although the Internet has the potential to be our salvation, I see Big Media and tel-coms and Cable getting their way in this country and limiting what we will be able to see and do on line.
Besides, the mainstream user age is still fairly young and, without leadership will not become a factor in politics in time to avoid the controls the government will slap on us.
Robert, I applaud what you and your folks are doing.
But, if you don't believe what I'm saying, just think about the MoveOn ad. MSM went NUTS. They are going to take this kind of thing (and the truth YOU put out) and point to it as a cause clebre for the "tightening of controls" on our freedom of speech.
Look at Insane McCain! He not only didn't like the MoveOn ad, he wanted them "kicked out of the country!"
THIS IS A PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE! And no one slapped him down.
I'm sorry to whine. I don't know where to go from here. But I do know that the solution comes from first understanding the problem.
I want to be part of "the solution" not part of "the problem."
So, I'm supporting organizations like yours and taking the time (lots) to hunt and peck out this missive in hopes that an old man's insight may help. (I hope to hell somebody actually READS this after all I've gone thru!)
Keep up the good work. Let me know what I can do to help.
When Keith Olbermann gets back from his appendix exploding after hearing all the BS coming out of the White house about the surge we will have to turn old KO loose.
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/20121786/site/newsw...
P.S. I had only heard of Ann Coulter before I saw this video. Now I understand why so many despise her. What a venomous, nasty, attention grabbing whore. You sell it Annie!
And they wonder why we hate them. They lie so poorly, but expect to be believed.
Personally I've done like others here have done - I don't watch Fox (or as my fav newscaster calls it "Fox Noise" or Fix News") at all.
Short of violence I don't see anything more we can do though. I try to boycott the products that advertise on Fox, but personally I live on disability and I'm in the middle of the 2-year contract with Verizon. I won't go into how mad I got when two days after I got my phone they announced that Verizon was one of the companies 'letting' them tap our calls!! Yes, I'll be switching when my time is up, but who do I switch to? AT&T; is in there too.
To the best of my knowledge I don't deal with Ford Motor Company, Chattem, Inc, Citibank, American Honda Motor Co., Inc., Overstock.com, Reckitt Benckiser Inc., General Motors, The Coca Cola Company, Sears, DaimlerChrysler, Carat USA, Starcom, MediaVest, MediaEdge, MindShare, AT&T;, PHD Detroit, Dodge Magnum/Dakota, LifeScan, Inc.
Levitz, Capital One, Slim Fast, Taco Bell, Blockbuster, or KIA.
I believe that Pfizer may be a drug company and I don't know if they manufacture any of the med's I'm currently on so I have no control over that.
Procter & Gamble makes so many things its hard to know what I may need that they sell.
Admittedly I do use Kraft Foods on a fairly regular basis though, and Verizon I've already covered.
I don't know what Optimedia is, but if it has anything to do with eye care - say manufacturing things that eye doctors use - again, I have no control over that.
Recently I purchased a Toyota and I did it because in Consumer Reports, it is ranked as one of the top best cars available. I'm not about to give it up, but I certainly don't need to use Toyota's services to have work done on it!
I think for most of us its safe to say that the list of advertisers boils down to just a few that we each need/use/use and don't know it. As much as I hate Fox for knuckling under to the neocon's and showing only what 'certain people' want them to show, there are a HUGE conglomerate who are not likely to be hurt by boycotting in the least. They probably have enough money to BUY most of the companies listed, or if one actually does pull their advertising, Fox would just go elsewhere.
Wow, what a shock to read that you are on multiple meds. You might wanna lay off the ludes for a while until your lefty freakoid delusions pass.
Thanks for the laffs!!!
Then go outside and see what real life has to offer. You'll be amazed.
1. Boycott FOX the Channel.
2. Boycott the Advertisers!
3. Tell the advertisers what you're doing it and why.) Get FOX where it hurts!
The strategy is simple.
1. Ignore FOX. They are the paid agents of the corporate/fascist movement that's working to undermine our democracy. We know that. So let them undermine their own credibility, and ignore them.
2. Don't go there.
3. If any OTHER so-called news organization cites FOX as the source of any story, or repeats a story that FOX made up without attribution, jump on THEM with both feet. Challenge them to act like a news organization. Some may be thinking that repeating stuff FOX made up IS acting like a news organization, since the practice is so common these days. Educate them on their responsibilities.
4. Boycott. Let any company that advertises on FOX know that they are thereby losing business. They may care.
I read it. I hear you, and I feel much of the same. I, too, hear the outrageous statements, such as the example you gave with McCain's. And I, too, am in disbelief that none of the interviewers ever challenge any of them when they make these so totally un-American statements.
Bill Moyer just published his "Buying the War". I don't know if you saw it, but even NBC did a short piece on it. "Buying the War" is an incredibly powerful piece of journalism; it is an expose of the conservative right media (not just FOX).
The tide will turn, but we must not get discouraged, and we must never stopped fighting it. Actually, we must steep up our efforts and determination --- because "they" will; they've already started. (Murdoch is getting his thick fat fingers into the Internet market.)
Those who advocate to ignore FOX are asking us to ignore the fox in the hen house. He will stop only after the last hen is dead unless we do ssomething to stop him. Murdoch is the FOX. FoxNews is his WMD on our freedom.
Thank you Brave New Films for standing up. I stand with you.
Is this the same Bill Moyers that worked for the Johnson administration back in the day? the liberal democrat, Bill Moyers?
Is that who you are quoting as unbiased?
You fools are really cracking me up.
Yes...Fox News is an abomination. I'm a Canadian. We have Fox News in Canada. I don't watch it and I take every opportunity I can to slam Fox News. I try to be informed. From Canada, there is not much I can do, except turn the channel.
Does anyone have any concrete suggestions of what we Canadians can do to help?
The person who says "get a life", and "change the channel" must be very happy with the way things are in he world today. That person must be happy with how the current administration is consistently stripping away our Constitutional Rights, must feel completely fine about that fact the we're even IN Iraq, let alone how things are going there,(since it was THE NEWS that convinced so many of the lies that allowed the initial invasion to take place), and must not care whether we are driven into Iran. Because, folks, it's THE MEDIA that influences public opinion and eventually legislative policy. Whether we like it or not, "news" and "polls" driven information is the world we live in. So Brave New Films has decided to *do something* about it. Personally, I'm grateful to them, and I say PLEASE CONTINUE and get as widely distributed as you can. Please provide the "counter education" that is so sorely needed in this country - in hopes that we don't become a police state, or worse, an out and out dictatorship. Because while some people are out "flipping channels", too many of our country's citizens are dozing off and quietly being hypnotized. We are teetering on the brink of NOT being able to DO SOMETHING about this. Greenwald and company - I applaud you for *trying* while you still can. Aloha from Maui.
I didn't say "Buying the War" was unbiased; I said it was an "expose." Learn your stuff before you comment, you generalistic idiot.
And, knowing so well that I am keyboarding to a mule, I'll point out nevertheless that the expose is not labelled "News." Is there a snowflake chance under the sun that you grasp a hint of difference? Of ocurse, not! Sorry for hoping that you would actually use your brain.
I didn't say "Buying the War" was unbiased; I said it was an "expose." Learn your stuff before you comment, you generalistic idiot.
And, knowing so well that I am keyboarding to a mule, I'll point out nevertheless that the expose is not labelled "News." Is there a snowflake chance under the sun that you grasp a hint of difference? Of ocurse, not! Sorry for hoping that you would actually use your brain.**
Nice try.
An expose is no more to be a trusted POV than any bias. By it's nature it is one-sided, and therefore highly suspect.
Bill Moyers is an advocate that pretends to be fair. Just like the claims here about Fox news.
My point, brainiac, is that if you are going to look for sources to substantiate your own bias, try and find one that isn't so clearly biased itself.
Undeerstand, dufus? Or do I need to type slower?
Wow, you're smoking some good stuff there, huh?
Indeed, the illuminati...yup.
I hear the Roswell Aliens have been spotted probing Al Franken's butt. They found your head.
I would love to see a campaign against Ann Coulter showing her hateful face on the media waves any where at any time. Can we bring litigation against her for lying about our thoughts, feelings and opinions about our brave troops??? Or, we could just throw rotten produce at her...
The only actions available to us are loud protests and boycotts of both Fox News and their sponsors.
I hope someone can come up with something else more creative and effective.
FYI: I boycotted Home Depot AND China by returning a light fixture and telling the low-level person why I was returning it and she just looked at me blankly thinking I was a nut. I told her to be sure and tell her manager why, but I doubt it went any further. We need to affect them financially as money is the only thing that matters to these kind of people, but unless the boycotts are done on a large, loud scale they won't even notice. Thank you for all your efforts!
It is also my bias that freedom of speech is respected. That is why forums such as this one allow people such as you to do counter-influence on their members. (At FOX, O'Reilly yells at people who disagree with him to shut up and get them off the air in a nano-second.
FOX and other news organizations spend millions upon millions to propagate support for their agendas, using any lie they or the Republican Administration invent. That's what I oppose -- not their opinions (as ruthless and short-sighted as it may be). I oppose the lying and twisting of the truth.
When someone like Bill Moyers come along with a counter-piece that exposes them in their *lies and bullying*, I can't stop myself from applauding.
Really, Jesse, you should see "Buying the War" before you comment on it.
Democrats:
* Richard Gephardt: Air National Guard, 1965-71.
* David Bonior: Staff Sgt., Air Force 1968-72.
* Tom Daschle: 1st Lt., Air Force SAC 1969-72.
* Al Gore: enlisted Aug. 1969; sent to Vietnam Jan. 1971 as an army journalist in 20th Engineer Brigade.
* Bob Kerrey: Lt. j.g. Navy 1966-69; Medal of Honor, Vietnam.
>* Daniel Inouye: Army 1943-47; Medal of Honor, WWII.
>* John Kerry: Lt., Navy 1966-70; Silver Star, Bronze Star with Combat V,
Purple Hearts.
* Charles Rangel: Staff Sgt., Army 1948-52; Bronze Star, Korea.
* Max Cleland: Captain, Army 1965-68; Silver Star & Bronze Star, Vietnam.
Paraplegic from war injuries. Served in Congress.
* Ted Kennedy: Army, 1951-53.
* Tom Harkin: Lt., Navy, 1962-67; Naval Reserve, 1968-74.
* Jack Reed: Army Ranger, 1971-1979; Captain, Army Reserve 1979-91.
* Fritz Hollings: Army officer in WWII; Bronze Star and seven campaignribbons.
* Leonard Boswell: Lt. Col., Army 1956-76; Vietnam, DFCs, Bronze Stars,andSoldier's Medal.
* Pete Peterson: Air Force Captain, POW. Purple Heart, Silver Star and Legion of Merit.
* Mike Thompson: Staff sergeant, 173rd Airborne, Purple Heart.
>* Bill McBride: Candidate for Fla. Governor. Marine in Vietnam; Bronze Star with Combat V.
* Gray Davis: Army Captain in Vietnam, Bronze Star.
* Pete Stark: Air Force 1955-57
>* Chuck Robb: Vietnam
>* Howell Heflin: Silver Star
>* George McGovern: Silver Star & DFC during WWII.
>* Bill Clinton: Did not serve. Student deferments. Entered draft but
>received #311.
>* Jimmy Carter: Seven years in the Navy.
>* Walter Mondale: Army 1951-1953
>* John Glenn: WWII and Korea; six DFCs and AirMedal with 18 Clusters.
>* Tom Lantos: Served in Hungarian underground in WWII. Saved by Raoul
>Wallenbe! rg. ;
>
>Republicans -- and these are the guys sending people to war:
>* Dick Cheney: did not serve. Several deferments, the last by marriage.
>* Dennis Hastert: did not serve.
>* Tom Delay: did not serve.
>* Roy Blunt: did not serve.
>* Bill Frist: did not serve.
>* Mitch McConnell: did not serve.
>* Rick Santorum: did not serve.
>* Trent Lott: did not serve.
>* John Ashcroft: did not serve. Seven deferments to teach business.
>* Jeb Bush: did not serve.
>* Karl Rove: did not serve.
>* Saxby Chambliss: did not serve. "Bad knee." The man who attacked Max
>Cleland's patriotism.
>* Paul Wolfowitz: did not serve.
>* Vin Weber: did not serve.
>* Richard Perle: did not serve.
>* Douglas Feith: did not serve.
>* Eliot Abrams: did not serve.
>* Richard Shelby: did not serve.
>* Jon! Kyl: did not serve.
>* Tim Hutchison: did not serve.
>* Christopher Cox: did not serve.
>* Newt Gingrich: did not serve.
>* Don Rumsfeld: served in Navy (1954-57) as flight instructor.
>* George W. Bush: failed to complete his six-year National Guard; got
>assigned to Alabama so he could campaign for family friend running for U.S.
>Senate; failed to show up for required medical exam, disappeared from duty.
>* Ronald Reagan: due to poor eyesight, served in a non- combat role making
>movies.
>* B-1 Bob Dornan: Consciously enlisted after fighting was over in Korea.
>* Phil Gramm: did not serve.
>* John McCain: Vietnam POW, Silver Star, Bronze Star, Legion of Merit,
>Purple Heart and Distinguished Flying Cross.
>* Dana Rohrabacher: did not serve.
>* John M. McHugh: did not serve.
>* JC Watts: did not serve.
>* Jack Kemp: did not serve. "Knee problem, " although continued in NFL for
>8 years as quarterback.
>* Dan Quayle: Journalism unit of the Indiana National Guard.&n;! bsp;
>* Rudy Giuliani: did not serve.
>* George Pataki: did not serve.
>* Spencer Abraham: did not serve.
>* John Engler: did not serve.
>* Lindsey Graham: National Guard lawyer.
>* Arnold Schwarzenegger: AWOL from Austrian army base.
>
>Pundits & Preachers
>* Sean Hannity: did not serve.
>* Rush Limbaugh: did not serve (4-F with a 'pilonidal cyst.')
>* Bill O'Reilly: did not serve.
>* Michael Savage: did not serve.
>* George Will: did not serve.
>* Chris Matthews: did not serve.
>* Paul Gigot: did not serve.
>* Bill Bennett: did not serve.
>* Pat Buchanan: did not serve.
>* John Wayne: did not serve.
>* Bill Kristol: did not serve.
>* Kenneth Starr: did not serve.
>* Antonin Scalia: did not serve.
>* Clarence Thomas: did not serve.
>* Ralph Reed: did not serve.
>* Michael Medved: did not serve.
>* Charlie Daniels: did not serve.
>* Ted Nugent: did not serve. (He only shoots at things that don't shoot back.)
Please keep this information circulating
Obviously, more needs to be done and I argue that we need our Democratic and liberal leaders to challenge FOX News directly. Yes, instead of denouncing MoveOn, they should be denouncing the so-called “fair and balanced” network that demonizes them at nearly every opportunity in ways both overt and sly.
As anyone who has dared to suggest this to me knows, I am positively adamant to the point of apoplectic that a boycott of FOX News will never happen and that any such “movement” would be counterproductive. In the first place, as long as FOX News gets good ratings (and let’s face it, the sorry fact is that it still does), politicians and others will go on. Dennis Kucinich is a regular guest, Charles Rangel has been a repeat visitor and even the FNC-vilified Barack Obama agreed to an interview with FNC’s Carl Cameron last week.
Secondly, even if all liberals boycott FOX, that would not deter the network from spewing its deplorably partisan messages. I’m not sure where the left got the idea that if they just turned their back on FOX, it would be outed as the propaganda machine that it is. Where is the evidence for that? In John Kerry’s refusal to dignify the network by refuting its Swift Boat lies? In the lack of voices telling them that it’s the war, stupid, not the MoveOn ad?
Even if the network is (further) exposed as tripe that not mean that people won’t be paying attention to it. Rush Limbaugh is nobody’s idea of neutral or even journalistic but he still carries a lot of clout. Even worse, look at Ann Coulter. Is there anyone other than a FOX News fan who takes her seriously? Yet, she gets air time not just on FOX, her column is in mainstream newspapers, her books are put out by major publishers and sold in national chain stores. On the other hand, when Elizabeth Edwards gracefully and courageously called Coulter on her vile tactics on Hardball, it got national attention, there was a spike in Edwards’ fundraising and real attention was paid to Coulter’s contemptible methods.
In fact, there has already been a Democratic boycott of FOX News. Democrats have withdrawn from two presidential debates, thereby putting an end to them. Satisfying, yes. But the Democrats made hardly a squeak about the bias on FOX – even though much of it is directed squarely at them – once they withdrew. How much has FOX News’ credibility been damaged in the resulting silence since? If there is to be a boycott, it would have to be loud and public, the way, say, the boycotts in Selma occurred. What are the chances that Democrats are going to do that? Slim to none, in my book.
So in my view, our efforts would be far better spent in urging Democrats to speak out against FOX, whether they go on or not, and to create an army of spokespeople who DEMAND to go on and know how to deal with what they will face. No, they won’t get a fair shake but they should expose that, publicize it elsewhere if they get sandbagged and know how to get out an authentic and proud progressive message under the adverse conditions they will undoubtedly face.
Besides FOX News’ bias, another sad fact is that many, if not most of the Democratic and progressive guests do a miserable job that can’t be blamed entirely on the unfair setup. Some spend more time sucking up in the mistaken notion that being friendly to the likes of Sean Hannity will prevent him from smearing their Party or their politics. Others think they are there for a real debate and get sandbagged by the political theatrics FOX News specializes in. Few seem to take the time to study the tactics of their “enemy” and adjust their own accordingly. Those who do, excel. I created the “top dog” category on News Hounds to prove that it can be done. Rep Charles Rangel, Jon Soltz of VoteVets.org and Democratic strategist Jane Fleming Kleeb are a few of the consistently excellent guests we have honored.
Most viewers of Outfoxed remember young Jeremy Glick, son of a 9/11 victim, who so flummoxed Bill O’Reilly that his “Shut up!” became part of the national lexicon. In his Outfoxed interview, Glick explained that he prepared for his interview by studying the show – to the point of using a stopwatch to figure out how much time he’d have to talk. It’s disgraceful that professional Democratic pundits who make a living opposing people like O’Reilly can’t be bothered to make the same effort.
If the Democratic leaders and spokespeople do their jobs well, I believe we have the muscle and liberal-message infrastructure to get the message out. Jeremy Glick gained prominence via Outfoxed, not FOX News. He stuck in viewers’ minds because of his dramatic confrontation with O’Reilly. Glick would never have had anything close to the same impact if he had boycotted O’Reilly and had simply explained to the camera why. Just as with Glick, with the phony Obama “madrassa” story, with John Conyers being "mistaken" for William Jefferson, we have proven to have the muscle and liberal-message infrastructure to get the message out whenever a Democrat is treated unfairly. But we need them to work with us.
I think we have a much greater chance for success in trying to prod them into doing their job better than we do at getting them to turn their backs on what they consider an important outlet for them.
Sorry for the long post but this is something that I have thought about, even obsessed over, for more than three years, since I first had my eyes opened by working on Outfoxed.
Boycott any sponsor of anything broadcast by Fox - not just the news channel, but anything connected with News Corporation (Google "Rupert Murdoch to find out how many media companies he runs).
To the lady in Canada, I'm in the UK and I boycott anything owned by Murdoch (who also failed to serve in the Australian military, despite them having conscription at the time).
Finally, lobby your Federal lawmakers for a legal requirement for "fair and balanced" - the equal time provision is the answer - if they are forced by law to give Democrats equal time people will at least hear their arguments.
After all this, yes, turn the station off - if everyone here gets their sympathetic family and friends to switch the FAUX news channel off then there will be a significant downtick in its viewing figures making it much less attractive to advertisers.
Finally, spread the word - write your local newspaper, call your local talk-radio, argue your case, don't let people believe that the FAUX word is the only word in town.
When someone testifies to Congress, isn't the idea to question him? OH wait, he was not sworn in therefore, we have no right to question him.
Seriously, what is wrong here?? And why did it say 2008??
Somebody sue!!! Make them use:
"All [Big] Business; All the Time!"
I never watch them or disney ,or abc. And cbs is not much better as well as cnn. gee that about does it doesn't it. pretty sad ,but I have to agree,with one of the other comments that our country is full of ignorant and proud of it bubbas and betty boufants. the truth doesn't interst them even if they could find it. they would rather fall on bush's sword than admit their complicity in death and detruction worldwide. ignorance is bliss didn't you know? concetrate on impeaching bush and cheney and trying them for war crimes. the rest of the world will form a coalition of the willing like never before witnessed in the history of the world
To be successful, there would need to be a lot of planning and coordination
This is where Fox is vulnerable though.
P.S. whenever I stay at a hotel or motel I always use the remote control to remove FUX from the channel line up, certainly a form of "fair and balanced" censorship to match their own. Also, I hope to frustrate Chaney should he ever stay in one of those rooms.
Bush who?
There is no law that says entertainment must be "fair and balanced" and the FCC doctrine that mandated such (in political debate, only) was struck down under Reagan, and finished by the FCC commissioners serving under Clinton.
You all need to KICK OUT all the incumbents in congress, and elect representatives with backbone and moral character. They should have turned the dogs out of this administration YEARS ago! Instead what we have BOTH in congress and the White House are pigs feeding at the trough of big business and corporations. Unless and untill that is done, we will continue to have more of the same...killing in the name of our corporate/oil driven lives. Wake up Amerika!
We only perpetuate their theme of being "balanced" when we "dignify" them with a sounding board.
With great public announcement, indignation and fanfare, we should seek news outlets that truly are "fair and balanced" (if such a thing exists), and give the other networks an opportunity to serve the intelligent interests of the American citizens rather than their purient interests, news not entertainment.
On the subject of the Petraeus/Betrayus MoveOn ad, it was a very unfortunate choice of a headline because it created such outrage that the important substance of the ad was totally overlooked. That headline was reminiscent of the type of over the top bombast used by fox, and it was counter productive...a very expensive error.
As for the second alternative, I believe that you should assemble a list of advertisers and coordinate a mass e-mail campaign to those advertisers, threatening a boycott. I'd be happy to participate.
"Here is my comment
I accidently came accross this site--this is the most ridiculous web site -- a site based on hate of a cable news network!
Guys--get a life--If you have nothing better to do then TIVO Fox and post idiotic posts!
My suggestion, learn to--ready for this--I'll go s l o w
TURN THE CHANNEL
Geeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeze!!"
I have advice for you Fox News:
My suggestion, learn to--ready for this--I'll go s l o w
Hit the back button on your browser.
Geeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeze!!
As for what to do, we have to follow the Republican religion of letting the free market decide. All of us who don't like the FOX message should boycott all News Corp products (TV, movies, books, newspapers, TV Guide, MySpace) and their advertisers.
If told yes the host is obligated to listen for minute. Try to cram as much factual information as possible into each statement and back up with reputable sources, remain calm and objective, and invite hosts who disagree to check facts. There might be a few viewers who aren't complete idiots and can recognize reason and truth vs. mania?
I just turn the PIG off.
Dems should simply say the same.
We should continue to support the liberal commentators who can stomach their time on-FOXair. But if you want to make a dent, go after their advertisers. BOYCOTT PRODUCTS. Start a boycott list and send it out to everyone you sent this list to.
Liberals, fighting free speech everywhere...
Please keep sending Fox updates. I can't stand to watch such offensive Fourth Reich material to find the important sound bites and trends.
I know people who do watch it, amazing as that seems to me, because my 85 year old ex-mother-in-law literally has Fox on all day. She even takes notes! I'm not kidding. She has George and Laura's picture on the refrigerator next to the pictures of her family. She thinks Bush and Blair are very good Christian men who are/were just misunderstood. She's actually not stupid, just terribly brainwashed and still lives in the fantasy America of her youth. As a professional therapist, I also believe she has enormous unresolved anger, and Fox is an outlet for some of her hate and rage. In her world, Bill O'Reilly is a strong father-figure who protects his own. (To my husband and I, if you put a Nazi uniform and cap on Bill O'Reilly, he'd fit right in with Hitler's SS.)
I no longer have any idea who advertises on Fox, but if you will tell me, I will gladly boycott their products. If you can, list parent companies and subsidiaries. If you include emails, I will write at least some of those companies and tell them why I am boycotting.
Another suggestion: Take your cameraman and catch one of these advertising corporate CEO's getting out of their car, and ask if they agree with one or another of the outrageous hateful statements. Michael Moore did something like that while making his documentary "Corporation", and it was very revealing. I realize, however, that it is not easy to go chasing around after CEO's. But if you do, send it out!
Finally, I will commit to asking any public establishment(restaurant)to either change the channel or lose my business, if they are showing Fox.
They are not a News channel and the Democrats will lose nothing of value by refusing to go on the channel.
I purposefully came accross this site--this is the most underrated website -- a site based on intelligent, factual, OBVIOUS evidence against the Fox News Network's exploitation of it's so-called (and self-stylized) "fair and balanced" media coverage image in order to carve out influence (i.e. MONEY) for themselves to shape American society into an MORE exploitable disposition.
Fox News--get a grasp of morality--If you have nothing better to do then take advantage of ignorance (or/and stupidity)! (EXCELLENT sentence struture, by the way!)
My suggestion, learn to--ready for this--I'll go s l o w (do you feel sufficiently patronized now?)
CHANGE YOUR SLOGAN TO "UNEQUAL AND IMBALANCED"!
Geeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeze!! (GEEZ LOU-ISE YOU GUYS! You're all just SO UNREASONABLE!)
to drive you into the ground. Corporations that bought the republicans, Bush, Cheney (whatever), are the ones who own Fox, and of course the present government, intent on stealing as much of the nations wealth as possible, destroying as much
of the nations natural resources as possible, and allowing oil-gas-coal powerhouses to destroy as much of anything that is left as possible.
FOX is no different from any other big media outlet - they are just more focused on their priorities. The other outlets have no motivation to provide honest news either.
I don't pretend to have a solution, but let's keep the problem clear - ALL big media companies have the same bias toward wealth and power. So what are you going to do about it?
And I agree, no Democrat, Liberal or Progressive should ever go on that fake news network.
Further, I urge everyone to contact their congressman and senators about banning fox as a default channel for US Soldiers. We don't like the kool-aid as much as some right wing leaders believe. We serve the country, not the neocon agenda.
That's my thought... wasn't there a time when the kind of slander they perpetrate against Liberals supposed to be illegal? I mean, honestly... aren't we as Americans supposed to be able to take action against somebody who smears our good name?
Every time they make an untrue statement regarding Democrats that is designed to smear them, a lawsuit should be threatened. Especially if they mention a specific Democrat by name.
FOX is the mouthpiece of the neocons. Ignore them. Do not even let your remote stop on their channel. There will be watchdog groups to keep track on what they are saying/doing.
Those who despise them, should not even return a call for inclusion on their programs. Ignore the bastards.
Every great social movement was concieved and pursued by a just a small group of people. What was that saying? Never underestimate the power of a small group of people... Brave new films has done a fine job of compiling and illustrating the propaganda machine. But I believe it will have to be through a political movement if we are to affect change. Find an attorney that can challenge the "news" in fox news. Make them change it to fox entertainment. Fox news is a corporation and therefore has an obligation to tell the truth to the public. Correct me if I am mistaken, but corporate rights to the constitution have never been established by the surpreme court. Another thought is have the FCC define the regulations and licensing requirements for "news" broadcast. Slippery slope, but much more manageable than convincing millions that they're being lied to. Congress is in charge of overseeing the FCC, if I remember right. Finding a Senator who will sponser a bill, like Senator Byrd in W. Virginia, that calls for the tight regulations around news broadcasting only, is an option I favor.
Sara
Every great social movement was concieved and pursued by a just a small group of people. What was that saying? Never underestimate the power of a small group of people... Brave new films has done a fine job of compiling and illustrating the propaganda machine. But I believe it will have to be through a political movement if we are to affect change. Find an attorney that can challenge the "news" in fox news. Make them change it to fox entertainment. Fox news is a corporation and therefore has an obligation to tell the truth to the public. Correct me if I am mistaken, but corporate rights to the constitution have never been established by the surpreme court. Another thought is have the FCC define the regulations and licensing requirements for "news" broadcast. Slippery slope, but much more manageable than convincing millions that they're being lied to. Congress is in charge of overseeing the FCC, if I remember right. Finding a Senator who will sponser a bill, like Senator Byrd in W. Virginia, that calls for the tight regulations around news broadcasting only, is an option I favor.
Sara
Especially where you work, neighbors houses, public places, and of course your own home.
Turn it off, literally. Don't let others know, just do it. It'll just NOT BE THERE.
And miss priceless opportunities such as Bill Clinton taking Chris Wallace to the woodshed on his own program last year?
I sympathize with the temptation to encourage libs/Dems to "just say no" to Fox on grounds that appearing on their shows helps to legitimize and mainstream them. There is some truth to that. However, if all Dems agreed to shun Fox that would only give them cover for providing only one side of the debate since nobody was made available to offer a countervailing viewpoint. Dems would be painted as cowards for refusing to appear. The status quo is more effective--Dems appearing on Fox and vigilant institutions such as BNF, Media Matters, NewsHounds, Daily Kos, et al calling out Fox for its bogus claim of "Fair and Balanced."
What does help unduly legitimize Fox is allowing them to host such forums as Democratic Presidential Debates as the event in Nevada. Kudos to the first of those candidates who pulled out of the event and the grass roots (such as this writer) who petitioned the Nevada Democrats and forced its cancellation. Otherwise Dems need to be encouraged to stand and fight. That way Fox will be exposed for the partisan outfit that it is but tries to claim otherwise.
There's no substitute for vigilance.
Pierre JC Allard
Pierre JC Allard
Though I suspect y'all have already thought of and dismissed it as not possible...
This station has told more lies in its lifetime than any other station on planet earth, its a sick joke to listen to the propaganda this channel spews out day after day.
FIGHT FASCISM
In the meantime, I think pressure of any kind on advertisers may be the second best way to deal with this beast. I for one will not patronize a Fox News advertiser. I recently switched from buying at Home Depot for that very reason.
Fox is the biggest threat to liberty in this country bar none; not Bin Laden, not Iran, not even King George, the stupid.
All we can do to stop it is to try to teach people that Fox is not news or even opinion per se, but a propaganda tool with a political and economic agenda.
Ann Coulter is the Anti-Christ.
It's difficult to watch these guys from Fox News, but must to "screw up" my mind. Then I get out of their grasp, back to another couple of reliable cable networks----then my mind get clear once more with truth.
I believe it a great idea for any Democrat running for any office to tell'em to go to hell---but then it may be a cop out.
Haven't their ratings dropped? I guees they are still drawing people in, but some may be as myself---just to "screw up" their mind for a fraction of the day. "Screw them (Fox News)", I say.
Respectfully,
Where is the Fox Attacks Ron Paul?
1 major issue is the Dem National convention is being covered by FOX. why would the DNC give fox $$ to televise the event? is it a way to garner support from would be republican voters? but is it worth feeding the news spin machine when they put ann coulter on TV and make all americans look like spiteful, evil, hating people?
My suggestion, learn to--ready for this--I'll go s l o w
TURN THE CHANNEL"
One wouldn't expect an obvious moron like you to understand propaganda, or it's uses and value to keeping a population ignorant. Clearly you've missed the entire point that the video was making, due to your own ignorance. Tell you what, learn some history, and then get back to us. Start with Joseph Goebbels. I'll go s l o w for this- USE GOOGLE.
GET A CLUE, JEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEZE
So, why even bother with them? On their present course they will self-destruct.
1. Strongly discourage dems and liberals from going on Fox News.
2. We need to start boycotting Fox News advertisers. In conjunction with MoveOn, PFAW, and other groups, this could have a big enough impact to worry advertisers.
3. Is there any sort of legal case to be made against the higher-ups at Fox? It would be great to see them carted off to jail. They are doing such a disservice to this country, further widening the huge divide and trying to escalate this war. And they were the first to announce George W's win so we have them to thank for the last 7 years of the worst presidency in the history of the US.
Thanks Brave New Films for all you do!
Why is it that O.J. Simpson still gets all the publicity and anything educational or politically instructive is absent from the media? Personally I only listen to PBS or watch educational TV. I never watch or listen to Fox!!!! I could rant and rave on about Fox.....Imposing a DRAFT might make the public THINK. Finally this war might hit home. I've thought about asking all my Republican friends and family members who voted for Bush to think about which child or grandchild they want to donate to the funeral pyre? Harsh tactics but we might have to revert to drastic measures to awaken a pathetically apathetic country. Who else would have voted for George Bush TWICE?
I'm just throwing out ideas in hopes that a brilliant idea or two might surface.
Why is it that O.J. Simpson still gets all the publicity and anything educational or politically instructive is absent from the media? Personally I only listen to PBS or watch educational TV. I never watch or listen to Fox!!!! I could rant and rave on about Fox.....Imposing a DRAFT might make the public THINK. Finally this war might hit home. I've thought about asking all my Republican friends and family members who voted for Bush to think about which child or grandchild they want to donate to the funeral pyre? Harsh tactics but we might have to revert to drastic measures to awaken a pathetically apathetic country. Who else would have voted for George Bush TWICE?
I'm just throwing out ideas in hopes that a brilliant idea or two might surface.
Thanks for your work - Peter
What is not lost is the group of advertisers who prop Faux News up. Always follow the money trail and these folks are it. Why not start publishing the list of primary FN cashcows, along with their political ties to the Far Right, so that a direct line can be drawn bewteen the GOP, the streamlining of content on FN to support GOP positions and talking points and the people who pay to have that content on the air? Perhaps those who are only casual customers of FN can be inspired to see the light, reducing the numbers that make this cable show so attractive to advertisers. I would be happy to boycott any company that advertises on FN, as long as that company knows WHY I am boycotting them.
Check it out for yourself, newsbusters.org.
FOX Profit (advertizing $$$$) = FOX propaganda
Didn't Orwell say, "perpetual war for perpetual peace"... seems we still can't kill an idea w/ a bullet
Fox is this; fox is that blah blah blah--bring back the fairness doctrine--blah blah blah--fox is propaganda--blah, blah, bullcrap
I cannot believe for the life of me that you are so terrified of a cable new network!
You all need a collective enema; you are so stuck on yourselves!
Open up your own network--oh, you tried that Air America and it went belly up, because it was, just like these posts and this site--BORING and had no ratings.
thanks again
http://foxattacks.com/advertisers/local_zip?zip...
Don't mean to state the obvious as though profound ... but it's right there
We can simply start on page 1 and pick an advertiser -- 1-800-PET-MEDS, for example, and all agree not to buy any pet medications from them until they pull their advertising from Fox. Then we move on to page 2 and pick another, Boston Market, maybe. (They're owned by McDonald's, aren't they?) And we all agree not to shop at Boston Market until they pull their dollars from Fox.
Someone above mentioned that we need a national group to organize such a boycott. Absolutely agreed. Without it, there's no noise. And it's the noise -- and the fear that generates -- that makes a boycott effective. Along with the "who's next?" mentality it engenders.
O'Reilly, Hannity, Gibson, etc. say will realize that they've been spun by the best spinners in the business. Maybe they'll come to realize that they've been following the "party of death" all these years and stop watching.
Didn't you hear? Dan Rather is bringing a lawsuit against, I believe its CBS, for forcing him out because he told the truth about George Bush when the Iraq War was being *invented*. The news of the lawsuit was on NBC tonight.
It is encouraging to see that some of the journalists are starting to wake up and finally refuse to be forced into collective lying. Fox is by far not the only media with distorted and biased news; it's, by far, the worse, but definitely not the only one.
Actually the other news channels pick up FOX lies and give them legitimacy by reporting milder versions of them. The public gobbles it all, no matter where they watch -- except on PBS; it is about the only public station that reports the entire story as it is.
does the word hypocrasy ever enter into your vocabulary Karole?
You are all nuts! Grayson is corect-Bush derangement Syndrome
I used to listen to the real news, turn to Fox, and the "News" was not there! Just Bill's lies and Ann Coulter's bitter, hateful, prejudicial commentaries!
How to make the headache go away? .....STOP WATCHING FOX!!
Enough said
Enough said--
Yeah, enough said. Other than the fact that you are an anti-semite. Go home Nazi.
Dan Rather was a scapegoat of the Bush Administration to scare all the others into submission. It worked very well for them.
Listen, c-BS, the American Nation, which was stellar among the nations, is now considered the scourge of the earth by the rest of the world. We now fill the spot left vacant by the former USSR. And why is that? Because this Administration has been acting the way the USSR used to act. It was their way or invasion. This is what the Bushies are doing, and our country is hurting enormously from it --- and we'll be hurting for a long time if this population doesn't restore integrity to its government really soon.
Dan Rather took it upon himself to attempt to slur Bush and effect an election with his fake (PROVEN FAKE--unlike your claim) memogate documents...as far as your laughable USSR comments, its all Fox's fault right? of course!
Try some Zeprexia for your paranoia--about 5mg should do it
That's what the lawsuit is about. Wait and see. If Rather cannot prove it, then the case will be dismissed. (That witness was identified on NBC this morning.) I bet Rather will get a hefty settlement in the end.
And what about all that O'Reilly and his pals fabricate and twist day in and day out? Shouldn't they be ousted as well, you know, following your line of thinking to stick to the truth and nothing but the truth -- thinking for which I agree wholeheartedly?
You seem to have a double standard for news people. I demand integrity from all of them, wherever they work.
Pro-American Military
and
Pro-Surrender
God Bless the USA. Good job FOX.
And you are correct Karole, I hate c-BS, PBS, PMSNBC and gasp--I can--gasp THINK FOR MYSELF, even though I may listen to Fox--I know crap when I hear it, al la Dan Blather. And speaking of crap, that discribes this web site to a tee where all you 'progressives' sit around and bitch about a cable news channel. As if cBS and the like do not report news with a tilt to the (far)left!!!
Wow! Get a life--you guys and Moron.org
Reply if you want, but I won't be reading it as I will NOT be visiting this idiotic site again--its nearing time for Shep Smith and the Fox report,. and I don't want to miss out on the propaganda!!
because, THEY ARE NOT FAIR AND NEVER BALANCED1111
WAR IS PEACE.
FREEDOM IS SLAVERY.
IGNORANCE IS STRENGTH.
NO we can't just turn the channels because we've been doing that for too long! I am awake Fox, and we are coming for you!!!
BTW, we know you didn't "accidently" come accross this website. There are ridiculous websites out there, but this is not one of them.
Democrats, "Do as I say, not as I do."
Fox and its owners are getting something out of the propaganda it's spewing. What ever happened to the scandal regarding the paid "news-gandists" about three years or so ago? How much money is the Bush Crime Administration giving out to Fox and other propagandists to this day? Why doesn't some Democrat investigate that?
To have your peers scorn
Your ideas and thoughts
They say I'm a traitor
That I don't have respect
And that I should be taught
I'm not saying I'm right
I'm not saying I'm wrong
But I would like to speak
To raise my voice up
And just be heard
That is all I seek
There are people who fight
To maintain our rights
And I support them all
By speaking my mind
And you’ll always find
Me crying when they fall
They protect our land
So I won’t stand
And ever block their way
But I can’t cease
Airing my beliefs
Despite what others say
I realize that many people have bought into the propaganda that the federal government should be small and that publically funded initiatives are akin to "socialism" but the role of the federal government as what seemed to be invisioned by our country's founders is to provide for the common wellfare. That includes bridges, roads, telecommunications, schools, retirement, and healthcare. What kind of stupid nation are we to neglecting these things? And in the name of "lower taxes"? Let me ask you how much your local taxes have increased to compensate for the decrease in Federal spending? Oh, you don't see it? Try looking at your local roads and bridges. Ever bitch about how crappy your public schools have become? Know anyone who has gone broke paying for a surgery?
I think most people are starting to care about this stuff and thankfully, idiots like those on Fox News clearly do not. Therefore, their wanninginfluence will lead to their removal from our airwaves.
There's a word for people who depend on their "gut" for information: ignoramuses.